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Please pray for Michael Bray, wife and children

Postby Bill Whatcott » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:00 pm

Dear Friends:
While I am aware this fellow's views are controversial, even amongst pro-life Christians, I think we should be very concerned when the government does this to a private citizen.

At any rate the children should have a home and as far as I am concerned, while I don't agree with all of Mr. Bray's views I will still do what I can to encourage the body of Christ to help this man and his family in their time of need. They are losing their home and they need shelter for their children.

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On October 1, 2007 at 10:30 a.m. Federal Marshals and Sherff's deputies stormed into Michael and Jayne Bray's home along with Planned Parenthood attorneys. For the next 5 hours the authorities confiscated computers, books, and unknown personal items.

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The Brays are ordered to leave their home within 30 days!

Michael Bray is the author of A Time to Kill, an ethical treatise on the use of force in defense of the child in the womb. The book was cited as a cause to include Bray as a defendant in the $ 1.4 billion Planned Parenthood complaint (Planned Parenthood v. American Coalition of Life Activists) filed against him and twelve other defendants in the U.S. District Court of Oregon in the fall of 1995.

Michael Bray spent four years in federal prison (1985-1989) in connection with the destruction of several abortion facilities in the D.C. area. He was the prevailing defendant in the Supreme Court decision known as Bray v. Alexandria. Appearances on numerous radio and TV talk shows discussing the justification for protecting the "fetus" with deadly force. He was the co-pastor of Reformation Lutheran Church in Bowie, MD, 1984-2003. Michael Bray hosted with Reformation Lutheran Church the annual White Rose Banquet 1996 - 2001. Banquet was held in Washington D. C. to honor otherwise shunned convicts for their anti-abortion deeds. Bray is the co-founder of the Bowie-Crofton Pregnancy Center in 1982.

Bray has a B.A. in English from Rockmont College (now Colorado Christian University), M.A. in New Testament from Denver Seminary; author of scholarly essays (Evangelical Theological Society), two books, publisher and editor of a quarterly 12-page newsletter, Capital Area Christian News (1991-2000); columnist for the monthly Life Advocate magazine for four years (until it was sued out of existence by the PP v. ALCA case); 3 years as assistant director of entertainment at Denver’s Casa Bonita (restaurant); proficiency in two languages (German and Spanish); extensive travel and cultural exposure throughout U.S., Europe, and Turkey; 12 years directing a Christian school, teaching middle and high school; abundant experience in communication with major media reporters and journalists in print, radio, and TV since 1981 in connection with anti-abortion activism (has been interviewed by most major papers including Boston Globe, L.A. Times, New York Times, USA Today, Washington Pos, Washington Times; numerous appearances on talk radio; 60 Minutes; HBO special; several foreign media).

Sire of 11 children by the most excellent wife in the land. While eight are still at home under seventeen years old, grown children include a 2005 graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy, a social worker with a graduate degree, and a third college graduate (2006) presently working in Wilmington as a firefighter in training, a substitute teacher, high school assistant soccer coach, and a regular volunteer at the Women’s Center.

* Following issuance of writ of execution in August, 2006, we assert Jayne's rights to half the property.

* Court acknowledges Jayne's rights.

* PP throws a fit (Late November) and claims that we are scoundrels and Jayne has no right to our property.

* We awaited action from the marshals and sheriff's office: the seizing of the house and personal property for 11 months

* On 24 July, 2007 we heard from a lawyer by phone that action is forthcoming. U.S. marshals were coming to seize property (house books, computers, household items, and any writings of Michael Bray). Subsequent contact with marshals in early August suggests delays, however. (Who knows? We look up!)



Contact information:

Michael & Jayne Bray
308 High Street
Wilmington, OH 45177-1707
(937) 382-8151

http://www.michaelbray.org
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:09 pm

Michael Bray spent four years in federal prison (1985-1989) in connection with the destruction of several abortion facilities in the D.C. area.


Please elaborate on the "destruction".
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:16 pm

Nevermind.

This jerk is a terrorist!!!!!

Shame on you Bill for giving this guy any sympathy or support.

In 1985, Michael Bray had been convicted of bombing and/or arsoning ten women’s health clinics, and sentenced to 10 years in federal prison. According to the Washington Post, the bombings had caused more than $1 million damage to the clinics and other buildings and homes nearby.


This idiot is no different that McVeigh.

If he was up to his old tricks again I hope he gets life in prison. Because that is where he belongs.
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:30 pm

No one is forcing you to post here Banned from FD.

If you don't want to read what Bill posts, then you are welcome to leave.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Oh, and what's the source for your citation?
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:40 pm

Google him, its all over. He did hard time.

I noticed the thing that Bill posted glossed over the bombings with the non-descript word "destruction". That is why I googled him and found him to be a terrorist, a bomber of clinics, offices and homes.

I dont mind debating you guys. But I will call you on it when you have sympathy for a terrorist.
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:42 pm

If you want to fight for an end to abortion in the courts, the polling booths and the mind, fair enough.

But violence and terror is always wrong guys.
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:44 pm

I noticed the thing that Bill posted glossed over the bombings with the non-descript word "destruction". That is why I googled him and found him to be a terrorist, a bomber of clinics, offices and homes.


Why not?

Abortion is glossed over as the termination of the product of conception.

McVeigh killed 168 and injured 800.

In all the clinic bombings how many were killed and injured by Michael Bray?

If you are going to compare him to Tim McVeigh, please show me all the details, what exactly was he charged with, and why did he only spend 4 years in prison?

As far as I can see he was charged only with conspiracy to bomb abortion clinics. I see no evidence that one person died or was injured in any of his bombings.

Please, if you have the evidence show me. Otherwise, it's just hyperbole to compare him to McVeigh.
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:48 pm

But violence and terror is always wrong guys.


Indeed. It is always wrong to hurt innocent human beings for whatever reason, and that includes abortion.

I know you are a reasonable person. Where is your outrage that everyday in this country you have 400 people dying? Don't you think it's wrong that these children are ripped to shreds?

Or is it only bad when someone destroys the buildings?
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Postby Dave from Alberta » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:24 am

While I can't condone any illegal activity, this is an interesting mental exercise.

- If it became legal to kill newborns for whatever reason, would you fight it physically and use deadly force if necessary?

- Why does it change when the child is pre-birth? Especially if we are talking the fetal stage when the child is viable outside the womb?


Seems to be that it is pretty obvious, especially in the days of ultrasound that a fetus is a young human. The embryonic stage is arguable. How is it that we have talked ourselves into believing that it is not infantacide to kill viable babies in the womb?


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Another quick thought... As far as praying for him, if you don't agree with him and think he is wrong, you can always pray that God will show him the light... We don't only pray for those we love, those we agree with, or even those we like.
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:47 am

- If it became legal to kill newborns for whatever reason, would you fight it physically and use deadly force if necessary?


It is the question here! Thank you.

My answer, and this goes for unborn kids too, that we aren't and cannot be everywhere. We have to give people an incentive to do that which is right, and we need to make it difficult for them to kill their children. In the case of infanticide, one of the missions of the church was to drop off babies so that mothers could leave them there, without ever meeting the nuns. The nuns would raise them in the convent rather then letting the child die from exposure.

I think if we had something similar to that today, we would have far fewer abortions or infanticides.

We should also stop funding abortions, close down all the clinics. Sure, the doctors will still perform them, but if they are found they should be charged.

As for myself personally, I would do whatever it took to convince the woman to keep her child, including providing her with a place to stay and the rest.
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:56 am

As far as I can see he was charged only with conspiracy to bomb abortion clinics.


Only!

Its a feakin bombing. 10 of them!

Google this if you want all the details: micheal bray bombing



Another quick thought... As far as praying for him, if you don't agree with him and think he is wrong, you can always pray that God will show him the light... We don't only pray for those we love, those we agree with, or even those we like.


Do you pray for Bin Laden? Would you forgive him if he accepts jesus into his heart?

Where does it end when you start having sympathy for terrorists?
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Postby Banned_from_FD » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:59 am

This is hideous stuff with this clown.

The Army of God has had a higher profile of late. Shortly after the New Year's Day beheading of three homosexuals in Saudi Arabia, the Rev. Michael Bray, the so-called chaplain of the Army of God, praised the executions. In an article posted at his website, Bray writes: "While the Christians among us westerners would decline to emulate our Muslim friends in many ways...we can appreciate the justice they advocate regarding sodomy. Might these fellows also consider an embryonic jihad? Let us welcome these tools of purification. Open the borders! Bring in some agents of cleansing. We have no standards of citizenship. Perhaps the issue can be forced and we can get some discussion going."



from http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020513/berkowitz20020429
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:39 am

Where are the charges for Michael Bray?

Why can't you just post the links?

I can't find your earlier quote anywhere.
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:45 am

the Rev. Michael Bray, the so-called chaplain of the Army of God, praised the executions. In an article posted at his website, Bray writes: "While the Christians among us westerners would decline to emulate our Muslim friends in many ways...we can appreciate the justice they advocate regarding sodomy. Might these fellows also consider an embryonic jihad? Let us welcome these tools of purification. Open the borders! Bring in some agents of cleansing. We have no standards of citizenship. Perhaps the issue can be forced and we can get some discussion going."


Since when was it illegal to cry out for Jihad? :-) It happens all across Canada and the US and is happening now.

Is it only illegal when a Christian says that?
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Postby Ben Kenobi » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:08 am


In 1985, Michael Bray had been convicted of bombing and/or arsoning ten women’s health clinics, and sentenced to 10 years in federal prison. According to the Washington Post, the bombings had caused more than $1 million damage to the clinics and other buildings and homes nearby.


What was that about euphemisms?

You took Bill to task for saying that he destroyed abortion clinics, whereas your source says they were "women's health clinics".
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