Wildfires sweep Southern California

[Bill Whatcott]

Too funny, you find my site homosexual? How so? Is it the colors? lol.

Naah your prevailing colour green, is not nearly flamboyant enough to be homosexual........ ;-)

Your posters and their reaction to those who disparage homosexuality is another matter...........

[Bill Whatcott]

actually, ignore my rational and historical explanation of a natural occurance

go back to your deity conspiracy theories

its funnier :!:

Did it ever occur to you, God is able to use natural phenomenon to execute His judgement on a hardened and unrepentant people?

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maybe god is angry at the war!

i heard today the Camp Pendelton is starting to burn

maybe he is upset at the 10's of thousands of god's Iraqi children that have been slaughtered by American bombs and bullets?

besides, those wealthy areas of San Diego and Orange county are heavily republican

Why don't you ever complain about Shiite and Sunni insurgents who slaughter fellow Iraqi children and unlike American soldiers don`t even try too hard to avoid civilian casualties???

[GG]

Last week Arnold announced that California will no longer use the term mom and dad, in public schools ...schools are to accommodate transsexuals for example-let a boy who thinks he is a girl use girls facilities such as washrooms etc. If a male or female wants to identify as the opposite sex at school they can and it cannot be reported to the parents etc. this was days before the fires erupted. this is a small part of this bill it is horrendous as it takes away any parental authority to oppose this sexual indoctrination.

god is a patient God but The fires, the church sacrilege and Arnold's announcement as the antecedents to these fires is no coincidence. IMO

That's not entirely accurate, at least according to my interpretation.

The bills signed by Schwarzenegger include SB777, which bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuality, bisexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.

"Mom" and "dad" are not negative toward any lifestyle.

The actual bill reads:

No person shall be subjected to discrimination on the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation....

It also has a built in "out" for religious schools:

221. This article shall not apply to an educational institution that is controlled by a religious organization if the application would not be consistent with the religious tenets of that organization.

So no, Arnold did not "announce" that mom and dad are now bad words in school. If you do more reading into this issue, you will also find that the "must let boys use girls washrooms" is hyperbole and fear mongering. Nothing of the sort was suggested or implemented in the bill.

And again, this applies to public schools, which are secular by nature. If a person chooses to have religious values taught, they are free to do so in a religous school which is not bound by this bill.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's not entirely accurate, at least according to my interpretation.

Seems to be pretty accurate assessment. I've seen the same thing said by quite a few commentators.

1. Mom and Dad are considered to be terms offensive to gay people because gay people cannot be both a mom and a dad to a child.

2. Kids can declare themselves to be a girl or a boy and use the other washrooms.

Yes, the bill reads what you say it does, but it also says much more then that. The terms mom and dad are considered to be an insult to gay men and women. It affirms what they call heteronormativity, in saying that the heterosexual lifestyle is normal.

221. This article shall not apply to an educational institution that is controlled by a religious organization if the application would not be consistent with the religious tenets of that organization.

Right, we should all be thankful that the religious schools are still permitted to teach what they believe.

And again, this applies to public schools, which are secular by nature. If a person chooses to have religious values taught, they are free to do so in a religous school which is not bound by this bill.

So, since when is the term mom and dad a religious term? This is very, very bad for California and will hopefully be overturned in a referendum.

[GG]

Yes, the bill reads what you say it does, but it also says much more then that. The terms mom and dad are considered to be an insult to gay men and women. It affirms what they call heteronormativity, in saying that the heterosexual lifestyle is normal.

I have a hard time understanding/accepting that when children in a gay parent household refer to both parents as "dad" or "mom".

If it's offensive, as you say, then why would they use the terms themselves?

[Ben Kenobi]

They would rather use parent or spouse.

Or in Spain, Parent number 1 and parent number 2.

Saying that every child has a mother and a father is offensive, because they don't believe that the biological father should supercede the rights of a lesbian second mom, per se.

[GG]

They would rather use parent or spouse.

Or in Spain, Parent number 1 and parent number 2.

Saying that every child has a mother and a father is offensive, because they don't believe that the biological father should supercede the rights of a lesbian second mom, per se.

Alright, I think I see our problem, Ben. You are talking "lawmakers" and I am talking "families".

Little Billy is not going to run home and say "Hey, Parent Number 1, I got a gold star for show and tell!"

He's going to run home and say "Dad! Look at my gold star!"

The teacher at school isn't going to say "Billy, don't forget to show Parent Number 1 your gold star!"

Being called Parent Number 1 and Parent Number 2 - now THAT I could see offending someone.

[Ben Kenobi]

Alright, I think I see our problem, Ben. You are talking "lawmakers" and I am talking "families".

Yes, and California just passed a law saying that the term mom and dad are offensive.

Little Billy is not going to run home and say "Hey, Parent Number 1, I got a gold star for show and tell!"

If that's the only thing he's ever heard?

He's going to run home and say "Dad! Look at my gold star!"

What if the teacher shushes him and says, no you don't say that! You say parent number one or parent number two. Just like we have them say number one and number two to refer to bodily functions.

Being called Parent Number 1 and Parent Number 2 - now THAT I could see offending someone.

That is exactly what Spain has done for exactly the same reasons in the registry. If you don't believe me I'll post it up.

[GG]

Alright, I think I see our problem, Ben. You are talking "lawmakers" and I am talking "families".

Yes, and California just passed a law saying that the term mom and dad are offensive.

No, Ben, California did not. California just passed a law saying that discrimination based on a number of items, including sexcual orientation is not allowed. Therefore, you cannot say that Billy's straight parents are mom and dad while Sally's gay parents are parent 1 and parent 2.

Little Billy is not going to run home and say "Hey, Parent Number 1, I got a gold star for show and tell!"

If that's the only thing he's ever heard?

A kid gets to kindergarten, 5 years old, and has never heard "I'm Daddy" or "I'm Mommy"? Unlikely.

He's going to run home and say "Dad! Look at my gold star!"

What if the teacher shushes him and says, no you don't say that! You say parent number one or parent number two. Just like we have them say number one and number two to refer to bodily functions.

That's just silly. What do you do if the child comes from a divorced family? Parent 3 and Parent 4? Suppose the child is adopted... is that Replacement Parent 1 and Replacement Parent 2? Your example appears to be grasping at the most extreme straws.

Being called Parent Number 1 and Parent Number 2 - now THAT I could see offending someone.

That is exactly what Spain has done for exactly the same reasons in the registry. If you don't believe me I'll post it up.

I believe you. I don't believe that the people of Spain introduce their prospective mates to their new inlaws as "Parent Number 1" and "Parent Number 2".

[Banned_from_FD]

actually, ignore my rational and historical explanation of a natural occurance

go back to your deity conspiracy theories

its funnier :!:

Did it ever occur to you, God is able to use natural phenomenon to execute His judgement on a hardened and unrepentant people?

...

maybe god is angry at the war!

i heard today the Camp Pendelton is starting to burn

maybe he is upset at the 10's of thousands of god's Iraqi children that have been slaughtered by American bombs and bullets?

besides, those wealthy areas of San Diego and Orange county are heavily republican

Why don't you ever complain about Shiite and Sunni insurgents who slaughter fellow Iraqi children and unlike American soldiers don`t even try too hard to avoid civilian casualties???

i blame everybody

its a civil war, those people have been killing each other for centuries and will continue to do so

they are immature as a society, they are following rules that would be suitable for a 1000 years ago

hey, if i was living over there i would not last 1 day, they have no tolarence for free thinkers like myself

i have said many times that iraq is a hellhole and i mean it

the US is there to steal oil, that is against gods comandments the last i checked

Bill you are so obsessed with gay people that you fail to see the big picture, the US is breaking at least 3 comandments by invading and occupying Iraq

- bearing false witness
- stealing
- killing


seems to me that if jesus were to suddenly appear he would be against the invasion and occupation of iraq, did that ever occur to you?

[Banned_from_FD]

1. Mom and Dad are considered to be terms offensive to gay people because gay people cannot be both a mom and a dad to a child.

who the hell told you that?

you are just making crap up Ben

obviously all gay people had a mom and dad, so what did they call their parents?

[Banned_from_FD]

Yes, and California just passed a law saying that the term mom and dad are offensive.

really, please point to the law on an official government website

i will not accept any interpretation by some gay-hating website for such an inflamitory statement

[Ben Kenobi]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/Paul ... california

I'm not making things up. I sincerely wish that I were.

There is terrible news from California. On October 12, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law three bills which, the opposition argues, introduce the radical homosexual agenda into educational institutions. Unquestionably the traditional purpose of public education is to teach reading, writing, mathematics and other fundamentals necessary for well-rounded intellectual development. Instead, these institutions apparently will become miniature laboratories for redefining nature, implementing “gender theoryâ€

[Ben Kenobi]

really, please point to the law on an official government website

i will not accept any interpretation by some gay-hating website for such an inflamitory statement

I trust the opinion of a resident of California far more then I would trust either yours or princess jules.

You want to convince me I am wrong? Show me the actual text of the bill. You believe the bill says something else? Show me something other then your opinion.

So far I have the opinion of two pro sodomite Canadians, and one resident of California. Who is more credible?

[Princess_Jules]

Umm Ben.. I have not said a word about the California law. Nope, not a one.. I'm sure it was nothing personal.. ;-)