Please pray for Michael Bray, wife and children

[Bill Whatcott]

Bill, how do you know those dead fetuses/babies are from abortion?

They could easily have died from an accident to the mother or any other number of scenerios?

Seems to me people doing late term abortions are not in the habit of taking photos. But during an autopsy they would be taking pictures. Which is where I suspect those pictures actually came from.

I am not going to search out any more pictures of dead bodies from the US occupation or Iraqi civil war. Its not necessary, I think we all know the destructive and awesome power the US has to blow brown people to bits.

The US abortion industry was sloppy in the 1980's and left some of the babies in their rubbish. Other babies were found during clinic blockades and vandalisms.

[Banned_from_FD]

Bill, how do you know those dead fetuses/babies are from abortion?

They could easily have died from an accident to the mother or any other number of scenerios?

Seems to me people doing late term abortions are not in the habit of taking photos. But during an autopsy they would be taking pictures. Which is where I suspect those pictures actually came from.

I am not going to search out any more pictures of dead bodies from the US occupation or Iraqi civil war. Its not necessary, I think we all know the destructive and awesome power the US has to blow brown people to bits.

The US abortion industry was sloppy in the 1980's and left some of the babies in their rubbish. Other babies were found during clinic blockades and vandalisms.

Vandalism produced those bodies? How does that work?

What is your source for those pictures? I suspect shenanigans. This pictures looked like autopsies. One looks like a full term fetus that died at birth.
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Hey Bill! Good Morning!!

Just read some a real dead baby news here:


Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, October 6, 2007; Page A14

BAGHDAD, Oct. 5 -- U.S. military aircraft bombarded a Shiite village north of Baghdad on Friday morning as they pursued suspected militiamen, in an attack that killed at least 25 people, according to U.S. military officials.

Some Iraqi reports of the fighting in Diyala province claimed that civilians were killed in the fighting, although U.S. officials said they believed the dead were all combatants. The Associated Press, citing an Iraqi army official, reported that seven children were among those killed.



Do you care about these dead babies? Why dont you protest this?

[zip.com]

Bill, how do you know those dead fetuses/babies are from abortion?

They could easily have died from an accident to the mother or any other number of scenerios?

Seems to me people doing late term abortions are not in the habit of taking photos. But during an autopsy they would be taking pictures. Which is where I suspect those pictures actually came from.

I am not going to search out any more pictures of dead bodies from the US occupation or Iraqi civil war. Its not necessary, I think we all know the destructive and awesome power the US has to blow brown people to bits.

The US abortion industry was sloppy in the 1980's and left some of the babies in their rubbish. Other babies were found during clinic blockades and vandalisms.

Vandalism produced those bodies? How does that work?

What is your source for those pictures? I suspect shenanigans. This pictures looked like autopsies. One looks like a full term fetus that died at birth.
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Hey Bill! Good Morning!!

Just read some a real dead baby news here:


Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, October 6, 2007; Page A14

BAGHDAD, Oct. 5 -- U.S. military aircraft bombarded a Shiite village north of Baghdad on Friday morning as they pursued suspected militiamen, in an attack that killed at least 25 people, according to U.S. military officials.

Some Iraqi reports of the fighting in Diyala province claimed that civilians were killed in the fighting, although U.S. officials said they believed the dead were all combatants. The Associated Press, citing an Iraqi army official, reported that seven children were among those killed.



Do you care about these dead babies? Why dont you protest this?

Bill has enough causes right now. Why don't YOU take up that cause? Why are you pushing at Bill? His causes are well-known and time consuming. If this is YOUR cause then do something about it and stop bItching. :roll:

[Bill Whatcott]

War is sad. No one including the Americans are happy when children are killed.

The difference between Iraq and abortion is abortion is the deliberate killing of children.

I doubt you really want to know the truth regarding the authenticity of the photos but just in case:
http://www.abortionno.org/About_Us/laws ... icity.html

I was one of the very first Canadians to bring the large graphic photos to Canada. I spent thousands of my own money buying the 5 foot by 4 foot posters. Went to jail and fought close to a dozen separate court cases over the issue. Had an RN who assisted in late term abortions testify under oath my pictures were authentic. I've been physically assaulted in jail and on the street a number of times for showing these photos. The only thing I gained from showing these photos, beyond derision, a criminal record and a lost nursing career is a few children whose moms confirmed to me their children were slated for death by abortion until the moms saw my pictures and a few changed minds on the issue. I wouldn't waste my own time and put myself through all this if my cause and pictures were a lie.

[Banned_from_FD]

Nice try.

That site does not prove a single thing, have you even read it?

Anthony P. Levatino, M.D., J.D. Dr. Levatino is both a physician and attorney and he says the following:

I, the undersigned, having performed induced abortions earlier in my career, have examined the photos depicting the aborted human embryos and fetuses used by The Center For Bio-Ethical Reform in their public education projects (www.abortionNO.org). It is my professional opinion that the photos depict aborted human embryos and fetuses and that the depicted aborted human embryos and fetuses are accurately captioned as to age, in weeks since fertilization.

This statement does not indicate the source of the pictures or even confirm they are real. Nor does it prove the fetuses were from abortions.

He is simply saying that is what it would look like ... in his opinion.

If that is all the proof you have it would not stand up 10 seconds in a courtroom because nobody is claiming they took the picture. The source of the pictures is a mystery and therefore I suspect there is shenanigans. If they were really the resut of an abortion somebody would claim to be the owner of the pictures for copywrite purposes. Who sold them to you Bill? Lets delve deeper into the mystery my friend.

In the meantime..Stop using those pictures, they are likely a fraud.

[RevSpitz]

How much of an idiot are you? Look at those pictures, you cannot face the truth that you support the murder of innocent little children and have their blood on your hands for your support of their murders. Watch the movie "Lake of Fire" and you will see actual babies being murdered by their mothers and babykilling abortionists.

[Banned_from_FD]

Are you really a Reverand?

Anyways, I am glad Bill provoked my curiosity on this matter. Turns out these fetuses are likely still borns. In some States they must do a autopsy to determine the reason for the death of the stillborn.

This is the likely source of the pictures.

I found one site that suggests they come from the Getty public archives of pictures. Maybe later today I will check into that myself.

That CBR organization threatened to sue people who claimed the photos were miss-represented, however it seems that they never bothered to do that. Curious huh?

Here is an interesting link detailing all kinds of lies about "abortion" pictures. Take a look at it:

http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/t ... hotos.html

...and Mr Spitz, only a moron would accept all facts presented as truth. Sometimes people lie for political gain.

[zip.com]

Are you really a Reverand?

Anyways, I am glad Bill provoked my curiosity on this matter. Turns out these fetuses are likely still borns. In some States they must do a autopsy to determine the reason for the death of the stillborn.

This is the likely source of the pictures.

I found one site that suggests they come from the Getty public archives of pictures. Maybe later today I will check into that myself.

That CBR organization threatened to sue people who claimed the photos were miss-represented, however it seems that they never bothered to do that. Curious huh?

Here is an interesting link detailing all kinds of lies about "abortion" pictures. Take a look at it:

http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/t ... hotos.html

...and Mr Spitz, only a moron would accept all facts presented as truth. Sometimes people lie for political gain.

It doesn't take away from the STATS that there are millions of abortions performed every year world wide. :shock:

Why does THAT fact not bother you? -- when some "allegedly" bogus pictures does??

Your priorities are bit skewed, don't you think? :roll:

[Bill Whatcott]

The pictures are not bogus.
http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4d-authenticity.html

As I said I had an RN who assisted with abortions testify at my own trial before the Saskatchewan Association of Licensed Practical Nurses to the authenticity of the photos.

If those aren't real what does an aborted child look like?

As banned said some lie for "gain." What does pro-lifers gain by lying? We gain the lives of babies. What do pro-aborts gain by lying about the pictures. Big amounts of money.

[Banned_all_Over]

For some reason I can't login with my normal account????

Is it something I said?

Anyways, Bill that second link is basically a copy of the first link. Notice the carefully worded statement (the guy is a lawyer) that says that these pictures are what an aborted fetus would look like. It does not say "THIS IS AN ABORTED FETUS" because he does not know that for sure.

It could be real, it could be a stillborn.

In the meantime, are you not concerned you might be "bearing false witness" Bill?? That is one of the big 10.

Yes, I am concerned about abortion. I don't like abortion. I wish there was no need for abortion. But I also realize the alternative causes damage too, young women bleeding to death, unwanted children being born to poor and irresponsible people.

[Ben Kenobi]

Bill, how do you know those dead fetuses/babies are from abortion?

They come from CBR, or the centre for bioethical reform in the US.

They could easily have died from an accident to the mother or any other number of scenerios?

No, they are photos of abortion taken while they are being performed.

Seems to me people doing late term abortions are not in the habit of taking photos. But during an autopsy they would be taking pictures. Which is where I suspect those pictures actually came from.

No, they are taken by clinic workers. You are right that late term abortions are not in the habit of being photographed which is why some folks have risked their jobs to get these photos.

[Banned_all_Over]

Bill, how do you know those dead fetuses/babies are from abortion?

They come from CBR, or the centre for bioethical reform in the US.

They could easily have died from an accident to the mother or any other number of scenerios?

No, they are photos of abortion taken while they are being performed.

Seems to me people doing late term abortions are not in the habit of taking photos. But during an autopsy they would be taking pictures. Which is where I suspect those pictures actually came from.

No, they are taken by clinic workers. You are right that late term abortions are not in the habit of being photographed which is why some folks have risked their jobs to get these photos.

I know what site they came from, I followed the links.

There is no proof as to the authenticity. Check out Bill's links. There is no proof, nobody claims to have taken the pictures, or who owns the copywrite, when they were taken, where they were taken.

Its a mystery Ben.

If you can provide a link to prove they are real abortions and not stillborns, post it, I am willing to read it.

[Ben Kenobi]

For some reason I can't login with my normal account????

Is it something I said?

If you are having trouble with your account, please send an email to myself, or to Bill or ev8 and we will get it straight. My email is right there in my sig for a reason. Please don't create double logins, as that is a bannable offense here.

[Ben Kenobi]

I know what site they came from, I followed the links.

There is no proof as to the authenticity. Check out Bill's links. There is no proof, nobody claims to have taken the pictures, or who owns the copywrite, when they were taken, where they were taken.

Tell me. Do you honestly believe that a still birth rips a child to pieces?

If you can provide a link to prove they are real abortions and not stillborns, post it, I am willing to read it.

Eat your lunch.

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007 ... _trut.html

I'd embed the video here and I just might do so later on so that it is a site resource. From CBR.

[Bill Whatcott]

For some reason I can't login with my normal account????

Is it something I said?

If you are having trouble with your account, please send an email to myself, or to Bill or ev8 and we will get it straight. My email is right there in my sig for a reason. Please don't create double logins, as that is a bannable offense here.

We definitely won't ban for bonafide problems such as banned. Banned did nothing wrong, he was trying to deceive no one. He was only trying to communicate.

Here is more on Bray's loss of property from the Wilmington press.


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Feds seize property from local home

GARY HUFFENBERGER
Staff Writer

Federal agents seized household items at the Wilmington home of the Rev. Michael Bray, as part of a judgment levied against Bray in a civil case brought against him by Planned Parenthood.

Beds were not seized by the agents and the Bray family was able to reside at the house Monday night. But the household of Michael and Jayne Bray, which includes nine of their children, eight of whom are minors, were notified by the agents they must be out within 30 days.

The case involved is Planned Parenthood vs. ACLA (American Coalition of Life Activists). Bray is one of some 10 defendants in the case.

According to Bray, he owes $1 million as his portion of the judgment in the case that was decided in favor of Planned Parenthood in 1999, reversed in 2001, and then reversed again in favor of Planned Parenthood in 2002. It was appealed to the Supreme Court which chose not to hear it.

“Specified itemsâ€